游优：赵野先生，作为刚刚在丽江结束的“领升艺术论坛”的策划人和发起人之一，请您谈谈对这一活动的感受？
赵野：我认为论坛非常成功。与会批评家的思想和学术水平在国内都是一流的，对当代艺术的反思和美术史的修正性研讨都极有深度。年轻一代批评家给我的映像尤其深刻，他们的视野和见地表明他们已成为中国美术批评界的重要力量，他们的理论素养和对时代、生活、艺术的感受力，以及“吾爱吾师，吾更爱真理”的勇气和胆识，都极让人钦佩。特别可贵的是在这个物质时代，一些年轻批评家高扬理想主义的旗帜，使我感受到了八十年代的那种青春热血和纯粹激情。
游优：这次活动是一次跨文化和跨学科的学术聚会，邀请了文学艺术等领域有影响的专家、学者、诗人和艺术家，你们策划的理念和初衷是什么？
赵野：我个人感到当代艺术虽然很热闹，如火如荼的，但总在一个狭小的圈子里。除了几个明星艺术家，当代艺术和大众、社会似乎没有一点关系，特别是和其他文化艺术领域也没有相互的关注、交流和交叉。这不应该是正常的。作为现代社会中最有活力、最反叛、最先锋的当代艺术，应该是社会革新的重要力量，承载着冲击社会、文化、美学甚至时尚固有规范与边界的责任，代表着领升人类精神、拓展人性深度的方向和努力。因此它应该有更宽的界限，应该有更多知识精英和文化精英的关注和参与，应该有各类艺术之间的相互激励、启发和支持，一起合成一股变革的力量。我认为文化是一个整体，就像历史上那样。
游优：您认为这次论坛与国内各地其它类似的学术研讨会有哪些本质的不同？它的特点在哪里？
赵野：可能就是上述的那些跨文化、跨学科的地方吧? 会议上，那些诗人朋友的发言我也觉得很精彩，他们从另外的角度、另外的视野提出的问题，很有启发性，值得重视和思考。说到底，在最高的智力、想象力、感受力和创造力的层面上，各类艺术都是相通的。此外，束河云淡凤轻，天高地远，让每个与会者都特别松弛、从容、惬意，这也一定让他们有更好的状态和发挥。
游优：这次论坛活动中邀请了很多诗人和作家，同时您也是位著名的诗人，请问您是什么时候开始介入当代艺术活动的？
赵野：我对音乐、电影、绘画有着持续的热爱和关注。八十年代时，和很多杰出的画家都是一个圈子里的朋友，当时甚至感觉彼此是一个战壕里的战友。这次论坛则缘起我和管郁达先生今年春节时在大理的邂逅，云南的美丽和闲适总会刺激起人的灵感和想象力。
游优：请您谈谈诗歌与艺术的关系？目前国内当代艺术界和诗歌界是否有交叉和共通之处？您对未来这两个领域间的发展有何看法？
赵野：诗歌与其他各类艺术在本质上是相通的，都以表达生命的神圣性、世界的神秘性以及人类生存的复杂经验为己任，但它们各自有自己的语言和表达形式。目前国内的当代艺术和诗歌相互关注太少，希望以后能越来越多。波德莱尔与艺术的现代性，阿波利奈尔与现代主义艺术，布勒东与超现实主义绘画，都是诗人与艺术结合的完美范例。当然那是一个古典的时代，可能这一切都一去不复返了。
游优：在这次提名展的艺术家作品中，给您留下深刻印象的是哪些作品？请谈谈您的一些看法。
赵野：对这些批评家以及他们提名的艺术家，我都很信任。目前中国的当代艺术标准很混乱，甚至没有标准，但这些艺术家和他们的作品，会让我们看到当代艺术的丰富以及艺术家在各个方向上的努力。在心灵和精神的层面上，艺术没有成败之分。我当然也相信里面一定会有未来方向性和代表性的艺术家。
游优：丽江的研讨会以及北京的批评家提名展，这两个活动您觉得是否达到了预期的效果？有何感想？
赵野：我并没有预期什么特别的效果，我觉得一切都很美好，对艺术的关注、热爱、参与总是很美好的事。归根到底，艺术关乎人类的精神和心灵，不能用商业社会的标准来评判。我感谢与本次论坛相关的所有批评家、艺术家、诗人、学者和每一个工作人员。
游优：“领升艺术论坛” 会一直做下去吗？下一届论坛是否已经在策划了？能否透露一些下届论坛的主题和讨论的问题？
赵野：我希望能做下去，但对未来我们很难有什么预期。下一届论坛已在策划了，主题是“流放者归来”。这一次我们关注那些八、九十年代去了欧美，近十年内又返回国内的艺术家。这批艺术家经历了中国八十年代的理想主义和当今的物质至上两种时间，身处东方文化和西方文化两重空间，他们的迷惘、失落、思考、视野、选择、乡愁，以及在种种挤压和冲击中迸发出来的创造力和能量感，无疑是当代艺术中极具深度且非常迷人的部分。
The Beauty and Leisure of Yunnan Always Excite the Human Inspiration and Imagination
-Interview with Zhao Ye
You You: Mr. Zhao Ye, you are the planner and initiator of the “Lead Up” Art Forum which was just closed in Lijiang. How about your feelings?
Zhao Ye: I think the forum is very successful. All the participants are the best of the national critics’ circles, whose concept and scholarship have been very considerable in terms of the contemporary art and the amendment of the history. Especially, being an important force, the young generation has been very impressive on me with their wide vision and great insight. It is very admirable that they have acquired such theoretical attainment, feelings of the era, life and art, and the courage to “love the truth than the teachers”. It is also very valuable in this material era that the young critics can raise the flag of the idealism, which makes me feel like going back to the 1980s when the youth were ardent and the enthusiasm was pure.
You You: It is a crossover activity of different cultures and subjects that invited the experts, scholars, poets and artists who are influential in their fields of learning. What are your conception, and the original intention, when planning it?
Zhao Ye: In my opinion, although the contemporary art has begun to warm up, it has been blocked in a small circle. Besides some celebrities, the contemporary art has no relation to the public and the society, or attentions, exchanges, and crossover with other fields of culture and art. It should not be like this. The contemporary art should be an important force to the social innovation, being very active, rebellious and pioneering to take the responsibility for the shock to the bound of the society, cultures, aesthetics and vogues even. It is to lead up the spirit of human, and expand the depths of humanness. Therefore, it should have been more flexible. It should have more attention and participation from intellectual and cultural elites. Among all kinds of art, there should be more encouragement, inspiration and support to become the force for the change. I think culture as a whole, and it was in the past.
You You: What’s the difference between the forum and other academic seminars which seems similar in the country? How special this forum is?
Zhao Ye: It might be the crossover. I think the speeches our poets gave us at the seminar are very brilliant. The questions are from different angles and different views, which are very inspiring and have to be treasured and concerned. After all, all kinds of art are interlinked with each other at the highest level of intelligence, imagination, feelings and creativity. Besides, Shuhe is such an easy place that every participant is much released to have a better condition.
You You: The forum invited a lot of poets and writers, and you are a famous poet, too. When did you get involved in the activities of the contemporary art?
Zhao Ye: I have been fond of music, film and painting for a long time and continuously paid attention to them. In the 1980s, many brilliant artists and I have become friends. At that time, we even thought each other as the comrades in arms. The idea of the forum was originally started when I met Mr. Guan Yuda at Dali this Spring Festival. The beauty and leisure of Yunnan always excite the human inspiration and imagination.
You You: Refer to the relation between poem and art, is there any overlapping or common parts of the contemporary art circles and the poem circles in China? What do you think of the relation between them in the future?
Zhao Ye: Basically, poem and other kinds of art are connected. They are all to express the sanctity of life, the mystique of world, and the complexity of human existence. However, they have their own language and ways of expression. At present, there are not very many concerns between the contemporary art and poem in China. I hope it will be better in the future. Such as Baudelaire and the modernity of art, Apollinaire and the modernism art, Breton and surrealist paintings, they are all the perfect fusion of poet and art. Of course, they existed in a classical era, and now they are gone.
You You: Are there any impressive works among the nominations? What do you think of them?
Zhao Ye: I trust the critics and the nominees. The standard of the Chinese contemporary art is very confused. Even we can say there is not a standard at all. But, these artists will give us a show of the abundance of the contemporary art and their efforts on every possibility. In terms of the spirit and soul, there is no winner or loser in the world of art. I also believe that, among them, there will be the artists who can point out the direction of future and be representative.
You You: Do you think the Lijiang seminar and Beijing nomination exhibition have satisfied your expectation? How do you feel them?
Zhao Ye: I haven’t set up some expectation. I think every thing is fantastic. The attentions, passion and participation to the art will always be very nice. All in all, art is about the human spirit and soul. It can’t be judged by the standard of the commercial society. I do appreciate all the related critics, artists, poets, scholars, and everyone of the work team.
You You: Will the “Lead Up” Art Forum be continuously held? Are there any plans of the next? Would you like to give us some information about the next subject and topics?
Zhao Ye: I hope we can go ahead, but, it’s hard to say the expectations for the future. We have already had the idea of the next forum. The subject will be “Return of the Exiles”. We will focus on the artists who went to the occident in the 1980s or 1990s and got back to China in the recent ten years. They have experienced the idealism in the 1980s and the materialism at present. Influenced by the Eastern culture and the Western culture, their confusion, loss, thought, view, choice, nostalgia, creativity and energy from squeeze and impact are no doubt the most profound and attractive part of the contemporary art.
【编辑：郑红】
